Jeff Hiller
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                                6 years ago                            
                            
                                10 mar 2020, 12:00 GMT-4                            
                        
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                                6 years ago                            
                            
                                17 mar 2020, 15:13 GMT-4                            
                        
                        
                                                    Hi John,
No, no additional equation is needed. If you think about it, you have (in 3D), 3 scalar equations for momentum conservation (one for each direction) plus one equation for mass conservation, and 4 variables (3 velocities and 1 pressure). So there's just the right number of unknowns for the number of equations. One Finite Element textbook that covers how to formulate such finite elements is Bathe's Finite Element Procedures. In my copy (ISBN 0-13-301458-4), this is covered in Section 7.4. I am sure the same info can be found online as well.
Best,
Jeff
PS:
If you introduced an equation of state, you'd be introducing an extra equation and an extra unknown (T), so that'd be OK too, but is not needed if the temperature is known.
Bernoulli is just an integral form of Navier Stokes, so it wouldn't add anything.
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    Jeff Hiller                                                
 
                                                
                            Hi John,
No, no additional equation is needed. If you think about it, you have (in 3D), 3 scalar equations for momentum conservation (one for each direction) plus one equation for mass conservation, and 4 variables (3 velocities and 1 pressure). So there's just the right number of unknowns for the number of equations. One Finite Element textbook that covers how to formulate such finite elements is Bathe's Finite Element Procedures. In my copy (ISBN 0-13-301458-4), this is covered in Section 7.4. I am sure the same info can be found online as well.
Best,
Jeff
PS:
If you introduced an equation of state, you'd be introducing an extra equation and an extra unknown (T), so that'd be OK too, but is not needed if the temperature is known.
Bernoulli is just an integral form of Navier Stokes, so it wouldn't add anything.                        
                                                
                                                                                                            
                                             
                                            
                            
                                                                                        
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                                6 years ago                            
                            
                                10 mar 2020, 14:06 GMT-4                            
                        
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                                17 mar 2020, 15:13 GMT-4                            
                        
                        
                                                    Hi John,
Pressure is not computed from velocity. Pressure is treated as a separate dependent variable, with its separate dof's, interpolation functions, etc. You can find more information on this physics interface in the COMSOL Multiphysics Reference Guide, around page 904 (for version 5.5).
Best,
Jeff
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    Jeff Hiller                                                
 
                                                
                            Hi John,
Pressure is not computed from velocity. Pressure is treated as a separate dependent variable, with its separate dof's, interpolation functions, etc. You can find more information on this physics interface in the COMSOL Multiphysics Reference Guide, around page 904 (for version 5.5).
Best,
Jeff                        
                                                
                                                                                                            
                                             
                                            
                                                
    
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                                17 mar 2020, 09:39 GMT-4                            
                        
                        
                                                    Hi Jeff,  thanks for the reply.  I feel there is still some assumption that must be missing?  Is there an assumed equation of state that is being implemented something that relates pressure to volume and temperature maybe? Or perhaps Bornoulli's principle is being applied.  I just dont see anything explicitly stated in the manual.  Thanks for the help.
                                                 
                                                
                            Hi Jeff,  thanks for the reply.  I feel there is still some assumption that must be missing?  Is there an assumed equation of state that is being implemented something that relates pressure to volume and temperature maybe? Or perhaps Bornoulli's principle is being applied.  I just dont see anything explicitly stated in the manual.  Thanks for the help.                        
                                                
                                                                                                            
                                             
                        
                        
                                                
    
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                                17 mar 2020, 12:21 GMT-4                            
                        
                        
                                                    Jeff, thanks for the help and the explanation.
                                                 
                                                
                            Jeff, thanks for the help and the explanation.
- JB