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Electric field not adjusting with moving mesh

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Hi,

I have created a model which is effectively a capacitor with a moving plate. I have ground electrodes on the fixed top plate and +/-100V electrodes on the bottom moving plate. I am using ALE with an oscillating displacement to move the plate.

For stationary analysis when the electrodes are overlapping I can see a very strong electric field and when they are totally not overlapping, the E field is quite a bit weaker. This should all be accurate but when I do a time dependent analysis to move the bottom plate, the electric fields are not changing whether the electrodes are overlapping or not.

Please see the attached images. "0 off" is when there is total overlap, "15 off" is when there is no overlap, and "moving 15 off" is when the bottom plate starts off with no overlap and oscillates back and forth.

What am I missing in my model in order for the electric field to continually adapt to the top plate?

Thanks,
Jeff


6 Replies Last Post 21 mar 2015, 13:52 GMT-4

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Posted: 1 decade ago 27 mar 2013, 06:33 GMT-4
Hello!

If you use ES+ALE, you should use 2 parts for correct movement. Else your mesh will be strong deformed due to large motion.
I have modified your model (geometry with identity pair in the middle of air gap).

Ralf
Hello! If you use ES+ALE, you should use 2 parts for correct movement. Else your mesh will be strong deformed due to large motion. I have modified your model (geometry with identity pair in the middle of air gap). Ralf


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Posted: 1 decade ago 27 mar 2013, 16:52 GMT-4
Thanks Ralf! I took the changes from your file and it seems to be working properly now.

Jeff
Thanks Ralf! I took the changes from your file and it seems to be working properly now. Jeff

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Posted: 1 decade ago 29 mar 2013, 06:05 GMT-4
Hi,

I have tried to incorporate solid mechanics with the previous model in order to apply a body load. Then I used the displacement (u) from solid mechanics as the mesh displacement for ALE but am I getting an error as shown in the attached figure. I tried applying the mesh displacement to only the device (not the air) and there were no errors but the electric fields weren't changing again like in the original model. So I believe the problem is that only part of the mesh (the device) has a displacement (u in air is zero).

So is there anyway I can express the displacement of the whole mesh as the displacement (u) of just the device? Or is this a totally different issue?

Thanks again,
Jeffrey
Hi, I have tried to incorporate solid mechanics with the previous model in order to apply a body load. Then I used the displacement (u) from solid mechanics as the mesh displacement for ALE but am I getting an error as shown in the attached figure. I tried applying the mesh displacement to only the device (not the air) and there were no errors but the electric fields weren't changing again like in the original model. So I believe the problem is that only part of the mesh (the device) has a displacement (u in air is zero). So is there anyway I can express the displacement of the whole mesh as the displacement (u) of just the device? Or is this a totally different issue? Thanks again, Jeffrey


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Posted: 1 decade ago 2 apr 2013, 04:24 GMT-4
Hello!

What should be the result of your simulation? If you want to see the mech. stress of your lower part, you can add a second study only with solid mechanics and use the same predefined displacement as in the first model.
In other case you can use your own differential equation (ge) like F=m*a for the movement.

Ralf
Hello! What should be the result of your simulation? If you want to see the mech. stress of your lower part, you can add a second study only with solid mechanics and use the same predefined displacement as in the first model. In other case you can use your own differential equation (ge) like F=m*a for the movement. Ralf

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Posted: 1 decade ago 6 apr 2013, 23:30 GMT-4
Hi Ralf,

I have changed my design a lot but it's still relatively similar. But I am not trying to look for the mechanical stress.

So I have mass oscillating between two springs due to an applied body load. But I am also looking to figure out the electric field between the mass and some electric potentials nearby. So I followed your technique before by adding separate air mesh zones.

The problem is when I am trying to set the prescribed deformation of the moving mesh using the displacement output from solid mechanics. I want to set the prescribed deformation to v, but the mesh of air does not move in solid mechanics, so how can I specify the moving mesh as an output of solid mechanics?

Thanks,
Jeffrey

Edit: Nevermind I figured it out!
Hi Ralf, I have changed my design a lot but it's still relatively similar. But I am not trying to look for the mechanical stress. So I have mass oscillating between two springs due to an applied body load. But I am also looking to figure out the electric field between the mass and some electric potentials nearby. So I followed your technique before by adding separate air mesh zones. The problem is when I am trying to set the prescribed deformation of the moving mesh using the displacement output from solid mechanics. I want to set the prescribed deformation to v, but the mesh of air does not move in solid mechanics, so how can I specify the moving mesh as an output of solid mechanics? Thanks, Jeffrey Edit: Nevermind I figured it out!

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Posted: 10 years ago 21 mar 2015, 13:52 GMT-4
i am also doing project on this i also had same problem with that can u plz help me how i can solve this or send me this file to my emailid vijaysrinivas.tida@gmail.com
i am also doing project on this i also had same problem with that can u plz help me how i can solve this or send me this file to my emailid vijaysrinivas.tida@gmail.com

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