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Challenges of matching the results of 2D axisymmetric and 3D for a cylinder
Posted 28 feb 2016, 17:26 GMT-5 Version 5.2 8 Replies
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I am modeling the transport of diluted species in a cylinder in 2D axisymmetric and 3D domain. I could not match the simulation results of the 3D model with that of the 2D axisymmetric. The obtained current value (using component coupling: integration) in 2D axisymmetric is higher than that of the 3D model.
Although that modeling the cylinder geometry in 3D sounds very easy and straightforward at first place but it is rather very complicated!
In 3D:
If I solve the problem for the whole cylinder, the current value would be negligible. Then I have to solve the problem for half of the cylinder and considering the symmetry boundary ( no flux) on the other half of the cylinder ( matching the result is not achievable with 2D-axi). And If I solve the problem for a quarter of cylinder, I would get very wrong results as I got the flux in both x and y coordinates axes!!! (with the same values)
Wondering if I am doing something wrong or if it is rather software limitation?
Any response would be greatly appreciated
Thank you so much in advance
Mah
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Best,
Jeff
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Thank you very much for your response. Here are my .mph files.
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M
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Best,
Jeff
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There is another post in the discussion forum entitled: Differences among 2D and 3D results for electroamgnetic problem. It is not possible to quote here then here is copy of part of it:
October 29, 2010 10:06am UTC in response to Ion Quintana
Re: Differences among 2D and 3D results for electroamgnetic problem
Hi
if you are using MEF in V4.0a and you have a factor "2" between external current induced flux obtained by COMSOL and your analytical calculations then try using "MF" instead. (This applies also to the early 4.1.0.74 for me)
I'm waiting for a reply from the COMSOL developers as I suspect a typo behind there, check the equations. There is something I do not catch, and it took me some time to identify what could be wrong.
It's the same with a sign issue on M or Br defined magnets, but this could also be a convention issue that has been changed
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Good luck
Ivar
October 29, 2010 12:52pm UTC in response to Ivar Kjelberg
Re: Differences among 2D and 3D results for electroamgnetic problem
Hi Ivar,
Of course, I am using V4.0a. I have done both simulation (2Daxi and 3D) in MF and error for Hz is less than %1. ( I had done 2D axisymmetric simulation in MEF and 3D in MF). Great!
However, now I have a new question. For this 2D axisymmetric problem, if I use either MF or MEF, the differences between them is the %50. Why?
What is the difference between MF and MEF?
Thanks in advanced.
Jon
October 29, 2010 3:13pm UTC in response to Ion Quintana
Re: Differences among 2D and 3D results for electroamgnetic problem
Hi
I do not believe MEF is correct, I suspect a typo in the formulas, look at the equations behind ;)
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Good luck
Ivar
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Even if you replaced that block with a cylinder your model would still not be axisymmetric due to the non-axisymmetric boundary conditions.
Jeff
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Actually it is a cylindrical geometry. That parallelepiped shape is due to the mesh, since I had to deleted the meshes to send the file. If you please either check the geometry 1 or if you build all meshes you will see the cylindrical geometry.
Thanks
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Oh I see, sorry, that block is the domain. Actually I am simulating a recessed cylinder ( r= 250 nm). The whole model consists of: a big block as domain and two recessed cylinder. I am interested in the second cylinder and I solving the problem for half it. Please see the zoom in screenshots.
Thanks
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