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Liquid-Vapor interface drops very fast

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Hi

I have encountered a problem in COMSOL when using the “laminar two-phase flow, moving mesh” physic.
A simple model indicating what I am trying to solve is provided in the attachment.

As you can see in the attached file, the liquid evaporates at a very low pressure (300 Pa) with a uniform mass flux of 1e-3 (kg/m2s). When the contact angle is 90, everything goes well. However, as I change the contact angle even a little bit from 90 (i.e. pi/2.1), the interface drops very fast, which is physically meaningless. I have had this problem with both COMSOL 4.3b and 5.1.

I could have been able to improve it by making the contact point meshes extremely fine. However, this gives me weird values of pressure (absolute negative pressures) in these regions.

I appreciate if you could help me sort out this issue.

Amin


5 Replies Last Post 30 mar 2017, 11:44 GMT-4
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Posted: 8 years ago 2 giu 2016, 04:55 GMT-4
Hi Amin

I have the same issues with the “laminar two-phase flow, moving mesh” physic in dependence on the contact angle.
Im modelling evaporation of a sessile drop. With “transport of diluted species“ physic the evaporation flux is calculated. The deformation of the drop im modelling with the „laminar two flow, moving mesh“ where the mass flux on the fluid-fluid-interface is coupled with the evaporation flux. With a contact angle of 90° the deformation seems okay, but when the contact angle is set bigger the resulsts get physically meaningless like in your simulation.
Did u solve the issue and could give me some advice? Im using COMSOL 5.0 and I wasnt able to open the attached file because it was saved with a later version of COMSOL.

Thanks in advance.

Lars
Hi Amin I have the same issues with the “laminar two-phase flow, moving mesh” physic in dependence on the contact angle. Im modelling evaporation of a sessile drop. With “transport of diluted species“ physic the evaporation flux is calculated. The deformation of the drop im modelling with the „laminar two flow, moving mesh“ where the mass flux on the fluid-fluid-interface is coupled with the evaporation flux. With a contact angle of 90° the deformation seems okay, but when the contact angle is set bigger the resulsts get physically meaningless like in your simulation. Did u solve the issue and could give me some advice? Im using COMSOL 5.0 and I wasnt able to open the attached file because it was saved with a later version of COMSOL. Thanks in advance. Lars

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Posted: 8 years ago 2 giu 2016, 14:05 GMT-4
Hi Lars

The solution is that you should exclude the contact points in the expression for evaporation flux.

In my geometry, since the r-position of the contact point was always fixed, I used this expression for flux:

if(r<5mm,flux,0)

This means that the evaporation flux is imposed on the interface except at r=5 (SLV contact point).

I recommend you contact COMSOL support and ask if they have a better solution.

Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Amin,
Hi Lars The solution is that you should exclude the contact points in the expression for evaporation flux. In my geometry, since the r-position of the contact point was always fixed, I used this expression for flux: if(r

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Posted: 8 years ago 29 mar 2017, 23:23 GMT-4
I have brought about my question once again since I couldn't find any answer yet. I appreciate if one of COMSOL employees answer it.

Question:
In the "laminar two-phase flow moving mesh" physic (tpfmm), when I impose a small amount of flux on the interface, it moves much faster than expected. Is it a bug in COMSOL? This happens for curved interfaces when the contact angle (theta) is not 90. For flat interfaces (theta=90), everything is fine.

I have been struggling with this issue for several months. I appreciate if someone can help.

Amin,
I have brought about my question once again since I couldn't find any answer yet. I appreciate if one of COMSOL employees answer it. Question: In the "laminar two-phase flow moving mesh" physic (tpfmm), when I impose a small amount of flux on the interface, it moves much faster than expected. Is it a bug in COMSOL? This happens for curved interfaces when the contact angle (theta) is not 90. For flat interfaces (theta=90), everything is fine. I have been struggling with this issue for several months. I appreciate if someone can help. Amin,

Jeff Hiller COMSOL Employee

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Posted: 8 years ago 30 mar 2017, 07:57 GMT-4
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Best regards,
Jeff
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Posted: 8 years ago 30 mar 2017, 11:44 GMT-4

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Best regards,
Jeff

Jeff
Unfortunately, my license is not eligible for this service. I wish someone could answer.
Thank you anyway.
Amin,

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