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Fluid Structure Interaction problem

Posted 24 apr 2014, 11:57 GMT-4 MEMS & Nanotechnology, Fluid & Heat, MEMS & Piezoelectric Devices, Microfluidics Version 4.1 5 Replies

Seemit Praharaj
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Dear all,

I am trying to 2D model a solid body (circle) rotating in simple shear flow in a channel and I am using the fluid structure interaction module to try and solve it. I have followed the standard tutorial for deformation of a narrow vertical obstacle by horizontal channel flow and made changes to suit my needs. I have specified the following conditions in the fsi module.

- upper and lower walls have been specified as sliding walls moving opposite to each other so that the net velocity in channel is 0 an the solid body simply rotates without translation.
- mean inlet and outlet velocities have been specified as 0
- the body has been specified to be a linear elastic material model
-the boundaries of the body have been specified in the fluid solid interface boundary

I am currently using default values in the "initial values" and "prescribed mesh displacement" sections of the fsi module. Again, I am not sure if that is quite right.

The mesh is a fine free triangular mesh over the entire geometry. When I run the model over a chosen time dependent range I am continuously getting the following error

"Failed to evaluate variable Jacobian.
- Variable: mat.nu
- Geometry: 1
- Domain: 2"


I would greatly appreciate any help I can get. I have been working on this problem for the past few months without getting anywhere.

Thank you very much.
5 Replies Last Post 28 mag 2014, 10:03 GMT-4
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Posted: 1 decade ago 27 apr 2014, 23:24 GMT-4
It seems like Poisson’s ratio is not defined.
It seems like Poisson’s ratio is not defined.
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Posted: 1 decade ago 30 apr 2014, 16:48 GMT-4
Dear Nagi,

Thanks for replying. It assumed that becasue I had specified the material it would automatically get those values. I made that change, however, I am still running into some error --- " Failed to find consistent initial values Segregated group 2 " etc.

Was wondering if you'd have any insights as to whats going wrong now. I am attaching the mph file for reference.

Once again, thanks a lot for getting back on this ....
Dear Nagi, Thanks for replying. It assumed that becasue I had specified the material it would automatically get those values. I made that change, however, I am still running into some error --- " Failed to find consistent initial values Segregated group 2 " etc. Was wondering if you'd have any insights as to whats going wrong now. I am attaching the mph file for reference. Once again, thanks a lot for getting back on this ....
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Posted: 1 decade ago 2 mag 2014, 18:23 GMT-4
Hi Seemit,

I only managed to take a quick look at your model and I have two comments. It is safer to start prescribed velocities in a time dependent analysis with zero so that the first time step solution is close to the initial conditions. Also it’s not suitable to put velocity boundary conditions at both inlet and outlet. Switch one to pressure.

Nagi Elabbasi
Veryst Engineering
Hi Seemit, I only managed to take a quick look at your model and I have two comments. It is safer to start prescribed velocities in a time dependent analysis with zero so that the first time step solution is close to the initial conditions. Also it’s not suitable to put velocity boundary conditions at both inlet and outlet. Switch one to pressure. Nagi Elabbasi Veryst Engineering
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Posted: 1 decade ago 24 mag 2014, 19:58 GMT-4
Dear Nagi,

Thanks a lot for your insights. I was actually able to solve the 2d problem without the use of FSI by solving two separate problems with and without rotation and simply adding them up as it is creeping flow conditions. Now I am trying to solve the problem in 3d but i am running into one small problem. Is there any way to rotate a solid sphere at a given angular velocity in comsol ??? I am trying to use the rotating machinery module but once again I am not quite sure if its the right way, I do feel I could solve this without the module, just not getting the right BC on the surface of the spheres.

Once again, very grateful for your replies. They have helped a lot in getting to solve this problem.

Thanks,
Seemit
Dear Nagi, Thanks a lot for your insights. I was actually able to solve the 2d problem without the use of FSI by solving two separate problems with and without rotation and simply adding them up as it is creeping flow conditions. Now I am trying to solve the problem in 3d but i am running into one small problem. Is there any way to rotate a solid sphere at a given angular velocity in comsol ??? I am trying to use the rotating machinery module but once again I am not quite sure if its the right way, I do feel I could solve this without the module, just not getting the right BC on the surface of the spheres. Once again, very grateful for your replies. They have helped a lot in getting to solve this problem. Thanks, Seemit
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Posted: 1 decade ago 28 mag 2014, 10:03 GMT-4
Hi Seemit, glad I could help.

Yes you can rotate a solid sphere at a prescribed angular velocity as you described. You do not need the Multibody Dynamics Module for this simple kind of rigid body motion. You can do it using a Rigid Connector. Constrain all or part of the sphere using the connector and prescribe a rotation to its center, sometime like omega*t to get a constant angular velocity omega. We used this approach in this peristaltic pump animation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj0MGjyhFCc.

Nagi Elabbasi
Veryst Engineering
Hi Seemit, glad I could help. Yes you can rotate a solid sphere at a prescribed angular velocity as you described. You do not need the Multibody Dynamics Module for this simple kind of rigid body motion. You can do it using a Rigid Connector. Constrain all or part of the sphere using the connector and prescribe a rotation to its center, sometime like omega*t to get a constant angular velocity omega. We used this approach in this peristaltic pump animation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj0MGjyhFCc. Nagi Elabbasi Veryst Engineering

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