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pulsed RF ICP modelling

Posted 30 apr 2014, 08:19 GMT-4 Plasma Physics 5 Replies

Suidong Yang
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Hi, all,

I am wondering if COMSOL is able to solve a pulsed RF ICP model or not , is there anybody got a example to show ?

Thanks for your attention
5 Replies Last Post 6 mag 2014, 10:01 GMT-4
Luke Gritter Certified Consultant
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Posted: 1 decade ago 30 apr 2014, 10:47 GMT-4
Suidong,

Generally speaking, COMSOL should be able to solve pulsed ICP discharges in the same manner as continuous ICP discharges. To try it out, you can simply use the GEC ICP model in the Model Library and change the coil excitation to a suitable time-dependent function.

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Luke Gritter
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Suidong, Generally speaking, COMSOL should be able to solve pulsed ICP discharges in the same manner as continuous ICP discharges. To try it out, you can simply use the GEC ICP model in the Model Library and change the coil excitation to a suitable time-dependent function. -- Luke Gritter AltaSim Technologies
Suidong Yang
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Posted: 1 decade ago 1 mag 2014, 09:59 GMT-4
Hi, Luke,

thanks for your reply. I found the detailed pulse shape ( on-level, off level, rising time and falling time) some time causes the software time dependent solver diverged. Do you have similar experiences ?

Regards

Suidong
Hi, Luke, thanks for your reply. I found the detailed pulse shape ( on-level, off level, rising time and falling time) some time causes the software time dependent solver diverged. Do you have similar experiences ? Regards Suidong
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Posted: 1 decade ago 1 mag 2014, 11:32 GMT-4
Suidong,

I've never tried it with an ICP discharge, but in general such waveforms can cause difficulties for the time-dependent solver when the rise and fall times are orders of magnitude smaller than the on/off times. ICPs tend to have the most stable solution process of any type of plasma analysis, so I would expect that you should be able to obtain convergence, though you may need to modify the default solver settings or increase the rise/fall times.

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Luke Gritter
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Suidong, I've never tried it with an ICP discharge, but in general such waveforms can cause difficulties for the time-dependent solver when the rise and fall times are orders of magnitude smaller than the on/off times. ICPs tend to have the most stable solution process of any type of plasma analysis, so I would expect that you should be able to obtain convergence, though you may need to modify the default solver settings or increase the rise/fall times. -- Luke Gritter AltaSim Technologies
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Posted: 1 decade ago 6 mag 2014, 09:32 GMT-4
Luke,

Have you done SF6 plasma modelling before ? I need some help on setting up SF6 chemistry cross-section data.

Regards

Suidong
Luke, Have you done SF6 plasma modelling before ? I need some help on setting up SF6 chemistry cross-section data. Regards Suidong
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Posted: 1 decade ago 6 mag 2014, 10:01 GMT-4
Suidong,

I have not modeled SF6. LXCAT (fr.lxcat.net) has cross sections for SF6, which would be a good place to start. If you are solely interested in finding the conditions that produce breakdown, you need only to include SF6 in the model, and you can ignore any other species that may be produced in the discharge. If you require a more detailed description of the plasma, you may also need to include other species (e.g. SF5, F, F2) and reactions between them. In any case, I recommend modeling a pure SF6 plasma before attempting to add any additional species.

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Luke Gritter
AltaSim Technologies
Suidong, I have not modeled SF6. LXCAT (fr.lxcat.net) has cross sections for SF6, which would be a good place to start. If you are solely interested in finding the conditions that produce breakdown, you need only to include SF6 in the model, and you can ignore any other species that may be produced in the discharge. If you require a more detailed description of the plasma, you may also need to include other species (e.g. SF5, F, F2) and reactions between them. In any case, I recommend modeling a pure SF6 plasma before attempting to add any additional species. -- Luke Gritter AltaSim Technologies

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