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Current due to induced charges in frequency study

Posted 23 mar 2015, 07:27 GMT-4 Low-Frequency Electromagnetics Version 5.0 5 Replies

Jan
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Hi, I'm trying to find the currents (and resistive heating) in a metal object (e.g. a sphere) placed between a capacitor's plates, which has an AC current running through. The environment should be vacuum (i.e. conduction = 0).

As electric field induces a charge distribution in the studied object, an oscillating E field should induce a changing charge distribution, i.e. currents.

I tried to model this with the electric currents physic, but without specifying a potential in the object, the solution won't converge. I could use a floating potential BC on the objec's surface, but in that case I would have to leave out the insides of the object and I wouldn't get to study the currents inside it.

Any ideas how to solve this?

I also attached the model I currently tried; don't mind the magnetic field interface (Eventually I would like to couple that in also, but not right now.)

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5 Replies Last Post 26 mar 2015, 17:15 GMT-4
Edgar J. Kaiser Certified Consultant
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Posted: 10 years ago 23 mar 2015, 09:27 GMT-4

Jan,

I would recommend using a direct solver instead of the iterative one. Then ec needs some small conductivity everywhere, also in the vacuum. You have to try how small you can go.

Cheers
Edgar

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Jan, I would recommend using a direct solver instead of the iterative one. Then ec needs some small conductivity everywhere, also in the vacuum. You have to try how small you can go. Cheers Edgar -- Edgar J. Kaiser emPhys Physical Technology http://www.emphys.com
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Posted: 10 years ago 23 mar 2015, 11:20 GMT-4
Thanks for the reply, Edgar.

When I give the air/vacuum a small conductivity, there will be current going through it and then the vacuum will have resistive heating (much higher than the metal parts) which isn't physically correct. And as that is what I want to study, I feel like this isn't the best solution.
Thanks for the reply, Edgar. When I give the air/vacuum a small conductivity, there will be current going through it and then the vacuum will have resistive heating (much higher than the metal parts) which isn't physically correct. And as that is what I want to study, I feel like this isn't the best solution.
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Posted: 10 years ago 23 mar 2015, 11:53 GMT-4

You don't need to couple the heat production in the air domain into the thermal part of the model.
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You don't need to couple the heat production in the air domain into the thermal part of the model. -- Edgar J. Kaiser emPhys Physical Technology http://www.emphys.com
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Posted: 10 years ago 26 mar 2015, 13:57 GMT-4
I've been thinking about this and your idea doesn't work.

When I want to find magnetic fields due to the currents I will need to input the ec physic currents as external currents to magnetic fields physic. I can not do that when the nonphysical current is running through the air/vacuum. (I need only the displacement current from vacuum and the total current in the metal parts.)
I've been thinking about this and your idea doesn't work. When I want to find magnetic fields due to the currents I will need to input the ec physic currents as external currents to magnetic fields physic. I can not do that when the nonphysical current is running through the air/vacuum. (I need only the displacement current from vacuum and the total current in the metal parts.)
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Posted: 10 years ago 26 mar 2015, 17:15 GMT-4
Couldn't you just couple the displacement currents from ec into mf for the air domain and the total current for the metal domains?

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Couldn't you just couple the displacement currents from ec into mf for the air domain and the total current for the metal domains? -- Edgar J. Kaiser emPhys Physical Technology http://www.emphys.com

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